Legislature(2001 - 2002)

02/14/2001 03:40 PM Senate HES

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                     ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                   
       SENATE HEALTH, EDUCATION & SOCIAL SERVICES COMMITTEE                                                                   
                         February 14, 2001                                                                                      
                             1:35 p.m.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Lyda Green, Chair                                                                                                       
Senator Loren Leman, Vice Chair                                                                                                 
Senator Gary Wilken                                                                                                             
Senator Jerry Ward                                                                                                              
Senator Bettye Davis                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
None                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                              
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
HIGH SCHOOL GRADUATION QUALIFYING EXAM - TESTIMONY FROM EDUCATIONAL                                                             
ORGANIZATIONS                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Bobette Bush, Board Member                                                                                                  
Alaska Association of School Administrators                                                                                     
Aniak, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT:  Supports delay in HSGQE                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Carol Kane, Executive Director                                                                                              
Alaska Association of Secondary School Principals                                                                               
PO Box 2889                                                                                                                     
Palmer, Alaska 99645                                                                                                            
POSITION STATEMENT:  Supports delay in HSGQE                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Patricia M. Hogan                                                                                                           
PO Box 877518                                                                                                                   
Wasilla, Alaska 99687                                                                                                           
POSITION STATEMENT:  Supports delay in HSGQE                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Rich Kronberg, President                                                                                                    
NEA-Alaska                                                                                                                      
114 2nd Street                                                                                                                  
Juneau, Alaska 99801                                                                                                            
POSITION STATEMENT:  Supports delay in HSGQE                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Susan Stitham, CHAIR                                                                                                        
State Board of Education and Early Development                                                                                  
801 West 10th Street, Suite 200                                                                                                 
Juneau, Alaska 99801-1894                                                                                                       
POSITION STATEMENT:  Supports delay in HSGQE                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Carl Rose, Executive Director                                                                                               
Association of Alaska School Boards                                                                                             
316 West 11th Street                                                                                                            
Juneau, Alaska 99801                                                                                                            
POSITION STATEMENT:  Supports delay in HSGQE                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
TAPE 01-11, SIDE A                                                                                                            
Number 001                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  LYDA GREEN  called  the  Senate Health,  Education  &  Social                                                          
Services  Committee  meeting to  order at  1:35 p.m.   Present  were                                                            
Senators Ward, Davis and  CHAIR Green.  She announced that the focus                                                            
of today's  meeting would  be to take testimony  on the High  School                                                            
Graduation  Qualifying  Exam (HSGQE).    She asked  participants  to                                                            
focus  their comments  on  corrective action  that  could be  taken,                                                            
rather than  the Governor's  bill.  The Senate  HESS Committee  will                                                            
not be looking at the budget aspect of the exam.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS.   BOBETTE  BUSH,   Superintendent,   Kuspuk   School   District,                                                            
testifying  via teleconference, said  she is on the executive  board                                                            
of the  Alaska Association  of School Administrators  (AASA)  and is                                                            
testifying  on AASA's behalf.  On November  8, 2000, the AASA  Board                                                            
passed a resolution  in support of  extending the date of  requiring                                                            
students  to pass the  HSGQE to  graduate.  The  board supports  the                                                            
extension because it believes  students have not had the opportunity                                                            
to learn  the specific skills  covered in the  exam.  To withhold  a                                                            
high school diploma based  on a lack of opportunity would be unfair.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  GREEN   asked  if  the  AASA   Board  considered   any  other                                                            
suggestions.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. BUSH said  most board members  are concerned that diplomas  will                                                            
be withheld  in  2002 if  a student  does  not pass  the exit  exam.                                                            
There is concern  that students will not have enough  opportunity to                                                            
learn what is necessary for passing the exam.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 455                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WARD asked  which school districts do not  supply the proper                                                            
curriculum for passing the exam.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. BUSH said  it takes a major reform effort on the  part of school                                                            
districts to align a curriculum  with the standards and to also have                                                            
a standard based curriculum.   The HSGQE is not a basic skills test,                                                            
therefore,  for  students  to  be  successful  on  the  exam,  their                                                            
instruction  needs to be  aimed at  these skills.   For the  past 25                                                            
years, most school districts  have not implemented a standards based                                                            
instruction  model.   Adequate  time is  needed for  developing  the                                                            
exam, and the  results need to be given to the school,  parents, and                                                            
students in a timely manner for adequate training.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WARD noted  AASA's resolution  said that  not all  children                                                            
have received  the necessary curriculum in order to  adequately pass                                                            
the exam.   He asked for a list of  schools not giving the  adequate                                                            
curriculum in order to pass the exam.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. BUSH said she did not have such a list.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  LEMAN  said  Ms.  Bush used  the  phrase,  "some  of  these                                                            
children  have the  lack of  opportunity to  learn."   He said  this                                                            
troubled  him and  he  asked Ms.  Bush  what she  meant  by lack  of                                                            
opportunity to learn.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. BUSH  commented that this  is a legal  standard.  It means  that                                                            
students have  not been instructed  in the required skills  that are                                                            
needed to  successfully pass  the exit exam.   If a student  has the                                                            
opportunity  to be  instructed in  a system  that utilizes  standard                                                            
based instruction,  by  the time they  take the  tenth grade  HSGQE,                                                            
they would  have had the  opportunity to  learn the necessary  items                                                            
for passing the exam.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR LEMAN said when  he was young he attended a small elementary                                                            
and high  school in  Alaska, and  that system  gave him an  adequate                                                            
opportunity  to learn what was necessary  for taking and  passing an                                                            
exam.   He wondered  what has happened  since  that time, that  some                                                            
schools do  not have this  standard.  He asked  if there had  been a                                                            
change in the educational philosophy.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. BUSH's response is not noted because the tape was inaudible.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR LEMAN  said he had  taken the HSGQE  and he felt it  was not                                                            
unreasonable, but the state scores do cause him concern.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 952                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GREEN  asked if AASA  would have designed  a different  format                                                            
for the exam.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. BUSH passed on that answer.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GREEN commented  that blame had been put on  the exam but when                                                            
the exam  was developed,  it  was felt that  it tested  on what  the                                                            
schools were teaching.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WARD asked if AASA helped in the creation of the exam.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS. BUSH  deferred to  Mr. Darroll  Hargraves who  is the  executive                                                            
director for Alaska  Council of School Administrators.   At the time                                                            
this system  was legislated  and developed,  all state professional                                                             
and educational  organizations and the Department  of Education said                                                            
the timeline  for the implementation  of the high stakes  portion of                                                            
HSGQE was too short.                                                                                                            
DOE's recommendation was that the exam not be given before 2006.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WARD  asked  again  if AASA  had  any  involvement  in  the                                                            
creation of the exam.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  GREEN  asked Ms.  Bush  to  have Mr.  Hargraves  furnish  the                                                            
committee with this information.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  BETTYE  DAVIS  said  that   most  of  the  information  the                                                            
committee  needed about who  was involved with  the creation  of the                                                            
exam had already been provided.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. CAROL KANE, Executive  Director, Alaska Association of Secondary                                                            
School Principals  (AASSP), testifying via teleconference,  read the                                                            
following testimony:                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Thank  you for providing  professional  educators a  forum                                                                 
     for giving  input on issues related to the HSGQE.   As you                                                                 
     know, AASSP  has gone on record supporting accountability                                                                  
     and standards  for all Alaskan  students.  As principals,                                                                  
     it goes  without saying, our  entire focus is on academic                                                                  
     success  regardless of whether  students live in rural  or                                                                 
     urban communities.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     My  educational background  has been  in early childhood,                                                                  
     middle school, high school,  and post secondary education.                                                                 
     I have  been a  teacher, assistant  principal, principal,                                                                  
     director of instruction,  and an associate superintendent.                                                                 
     I have  served as the executive  director for AASSP  since                                                                 
     1998.   My comments are framed  with this experience  base                                                                 
     and collective input from our membership.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     AASSP  does  support  the  delay for  the  HSGQE  and  for                                                                 
     further  review  of various  issues.   Included,  but  not                                                                 
     limited to the following:                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
        · Sustained  funding for all schools at  an appropriate                                                                 
          level  providing  the necessary  resources, staffing                                                                  
          and   facilities   to  meet  the   present  demands.                                                                  
          Reference  many of  the recommendations  made by  the                                                                 
          Governor's Funding Task Force Committee.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
        · Provide   time for  staff  development   to continue                                                                  
          curriculum  alignment  and  review -  addressing  all                                                                 
          the  standards.  Staff development should  not be the                                                                 
          number   one   target   for  cuts   in   the  budget                                                                  
          formulation.    Staff development  is  essential  for                                                                 
          improved instructional programs.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
        · Experience   and  research  validates   that  norm  -                                                                 
          referenced  testing  does not  necessarily guarantee                                                                  
          quality of teaching or learning.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
        · Reevaluate  the  theory that  a high  stakes exam  is                                                                 
          the  only way to measure if a student  should receive                                                                 
          a high school diploma.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
        · Examine  if the 'wave for accountability'  is driving                                                                 
          both  educators and students  away from developing  a                                                                 
           productive citizenry for life long learning.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
        · Implement      appropriate     interventions      and                                                                 
          accommodations  for all students with  special needs.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
        · Send   a  strong  message  that  responsibility   for                                                                 
          accountability   is  shared:    student  commitment,                                                                  
          parental   meaningful   involvement,   educators   to                                                                 
          provide  the appropriate  learning  environment,  and                                                                 
          to  legislators  ensuring  appropriate  legislation,                                                                  
          which will sustain funding.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     We  commend   the  Department   of  Education  and   Early                                                                 
     Development's  efforts to review  numerous issues related                                                                  
     to  the HSGQE  and benchmark  tests.   We  appreciate  and                                                                 
     value  that site administrators  and other educators  have                                                                 
     been  active   participants  in  the  recent  efforts   to                                                                 
     reevaluate   the  HSGQE  and  benchmark  testing   in  its                                                                 
     entirety.   It is very  evident there  are no quick  fixes                                                                 
     and  that  further  time,  materials,  and  resources  are                                                                 
     necessary.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     The technical  review team - Tom Straugh, Ray  Fenton, Jim                                                                 
     Elliott,  and Vivian  Daily  have made  several practical                                                                  
     considerations for the actual  testing process, which will                                                                 
     assure  quality of testing  and reduce  the disruption  of                                                                 
     instruction for students  that are not being tested.  Some                                                                 
     suggestions include the following:                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
        · Additional testing days added to the school                                                                           
          calendar; students who need to be tested are the                                                                      
          only ones expected to be in attendance.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
        · Schools would be allowed to operate on a modified                                                                     
          schedule.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
        · State managed testing centers.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
        · Proctors trained to monitor the test, which would                                                                     
          not require a certified teacher.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
        · Test on Saturday or non-school days in the fall for                                                                   
          those students who did not previously pass the                                                                        
          exam.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
        · Schools 'bank' time by decreasing passing and lunch                                                                   
          hours  by seven  minutes per day  in order to create                                                                  
          testing  days which begin  with a three hour testing                                                                  
          period.   This allows all  students to have the  same                                                                 
          length  of instructional days when aggregated  across                                                                 
          the school year.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Additional  recommendations would be available  by request                                                                 
     from the Technical Review Team.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     It is  essential that commitment  to higher standards  and                                                                 
     accountability  be continued.  Part of the commitment  and                                                                 
     validation will be to indicate  on diplomas the scores for                                                                 
     those students who passed  the HSGQE.  This sends a strong                                                                 
     message to  everyone.  Employers who look at those  scores                                                                 
     as  part of the  hiring process  also would  validate  the                                                                 
     process.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Thank  you for your time and  consideration of our input.                                                                  
     Please  feel free to contact  me if the AASSP or I can  be                                                                 
     of further assistance.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GREEN said she thought Ms. Kane would be pleased with some of                                                             
the things the committee had in mind, even though the draft                                                                     
legislation  and amendments are not  yet ready.  She asked  if AASSP                                                            
had considered giving the  exam on the morning of an in-service day.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS.  KANE  replied  yes.   She  said  a  survey  of  the  membership                                                            
suggested this type of thing.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  GREEN said  administering  the test  should  not disrupt  the                                                            
whole school,  and she liked  some of AASSP's  suggestions  for this                                                            
problem and others.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WARD  asked  if  Ms. Kane  or  AASSP  participated  in  the                                                            
creation of the existing exam.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS. KANE said  she had not participated.   A few years ago  when the                                                            
exam was being  proposed a few of  the board members expressed  some                                                            
of the concerns that have now become evident.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. PATRICIA  HOGAN,  Alaska Parent  Teacher  Association  (AK-PTA),                                                            
testifying via  teleconference from Wasilla, gave  a brief biography                                                            
of her  life, education,  and work history  for the committee.   Ms.                                                            
Hogan said  the letter  sent to  the committee  on behalf of  AK-PTA                                                            
addresses  the consequences  of  the exit  exam.  The  law that  was                                                            
passed in 1997  was to present the exam in 2002.   The students from                                                            
the class of  2002 were only in the  seventh grade at that  time and                                                            
have only  been given  the California  Achievement  Test.  The  exam                                                            
that is being addressed  now is based on specific standards that are                                                            
important to Alaskan  students, and the benchmark  test will lead to                                                            
the successful  completion of the exit exam.  The  students from the                                                            
class of  2002 have not  been taught the  benchmark standards,  they                                                            
have been taught general  standards.  Students that have not had the                                                            
opportunity to take sixth  and eighth grade benchmark tests will not                                                            
have the standards they need for remediation.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS.  HOGAN  said  the  issue  of  military  families  has  not  been                                                            
addressed.   She wondered  if the federal  government would  have to                                                            
provide  American school  diplomas  for students  who are  overseas.                                                            
The issue of transfer students  and special needs students have also                                                            
not been addressed.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS. HOGAN  commented that  remediation should  be provided  before a                                                            
student  reaches the eleventh  grade.   Validity of  the exam  is at                                                            
question when 60 percent of the students do not pass.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. HOGAN  suggested that  parents, business  members, and  graduate                                                            
and college  students  be involved  in addressing  these  questions.                                                            
Students  also need to be  educated in how  to take a test,  and the                                                            
exam needs to  be in a location other than the school  because it is                                                            
too disruptive for the other students.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Number 1902                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. HOGAN said AK-PTA members believe there is a responsibility for                                                             
all students of the state.  She said she had participated in eighth                                                             
grade reading assessments for the benchmark.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. RICH KRONBERG, President of NEA-Alaska, made the following                                                                  
comments:                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     I want to  directly respond to one question that  has been                                                                 
     raised  and is, in my  mind, the key  to the whole issue.                                                                  
     'What  would   a  delay  provide  students  that   is  not                                                                 
     currently  available?'   This is the  heart of the issue,                                                                  
     and it  is the question that  must be answered if a  delay                                                                 
     is justified.   It is a question  that NEA-Alaska members                                                                  
     have been examining as well.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Our examination  began last fall, and it has continued  up                                                                 
     to  now.    Our  leadership  and  staff  have  engaged  in                                                                 
     extensive  conversations to articulate  those elements  in                                                                 
     the  educational program  that can make  a difference  for                                                                 
     students and to determine  if they require additional time                                                                 
     to implement,  to take a position  in support of a delay.                                                                  
     The  end result of  this internal process  was a decision                                                                  
     taken  at  our Delegate  Assembly,  held  in  January,  to                                                                 
     support  a delay of  four years in the  effective date  of                                                                 
     the exit exam.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     NEA-Alaska  has an extensive  list of  changes but I  will                                                                 
     just  read a  few.   The whole  list is in  the committee                                                                  
     packet.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
        · Districts must align their curriculum with the                                                                        
          standards.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
        · The content and the passing level for each test                                                                       
          must accurately reflect what we really want all of                                                                    
          our graduates, not just the college bound, to know                                                                    
          and be able to do.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
        · Benchmark test results must be provided to teachers                                                                   
           in a way that will inform their instruction.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
        · Districts must institute coherent systems of                                                                          
          professional development that focus on instruction                                                                    
          in a standards-based system.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
        · All students should be provided access to summer                                                                      
          school.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
        · All students should be provided access to quality                                                                     
          tutoring in after-school settings.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
        · Alternative methods must be developed and                                                                             
          implemented   for  special   education  and  limited                                                                  
          English  proficient students  to demonstrate mastery                                                                  
          of   performance   standards.     These  alternative                                                                  
          methods must be rigorous and fair.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
        · Districts must provide all students access to                                                                         
          qualified, quality teachers.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     We have  followed up our Delegate  Assembly action with  a                                                                 
     survey  of  our online  community.    The results  show  a                                                                 
     fairly  accurate representation  of where our members  are                                                                 
     on the  issue.  We  will provide the  results to you,  but                                                                 
     let me give you the executive summary.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     About  seven percent  of the respondents  want to do  away                                                                 
     with the  exit exam altogether.   Another 20 percent  want                                                                 
     to go  ahead with the current  timeline for the effective                                                                  
     date.   But over  70 percent  of the members  argue for  a                                                                 
     delay so that everything  can be done to help the students                                                                 
     meet or exceed the standards.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     In  Oregon special  education parents  filed suit because                                                                  
     their children  were denied diplomas because that  state's                                                                 
     exit exam did not allow  them to demonstrate their mastery                                                                 
     of standards.   That suit has  been settled in a way  that                                                                 
     satisfies  the demands of the plaintiffs.  In  Arizona the                                                                 
     effective  date of the high stakes  test has been delayed                                                                  
     and the math portion of  the test has been replaced twice.                                                                 
     In  Virginia  the effective  date  of  the test  has  been                                                                 
     delayed  and  there  is  a  movement  among  parents   and                                                                 
     educators  to simply eliminate the test.  We should  learn                                                                 
     from the experiences of  others, and I would never suggest                                                                 
     that Alaska  should follow the lead of another  state, but                                                                 
     we can be  aware of mistakes made in other places  and try                                                                 
     to avoid them.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     The   move  to  high   standards  and   enhanced  student                                                                  
     performance  is one  that NEA-Alaska  fully supports.   We                                                                 
     believe  the  best way  to  accomplish  this is  by  doing                                                                 
     everything we can to make  sure that Alaskan students have                                                                 
     the  tools they  need to meet  and exceed  the standards.                                                                  
     Passing  the exit exam  is one indicator  of our success.                                                                  
     Some of these tools require  a delay in the effective date                                                                 
     of the  test.  That delay should  be granted specifically                                                                  
     so  districts  and  the  state  department  can  make  the                                                                 
     necessary  changes.  NEA-Alaska is not asking  for a delay                                                                 
     to provide  more time  for more of the  same.  A delay  is                                                                 
     the right  thing to do only if it is used to do  the right                                                                 
     things  for Alaska's  students.   We believe  that if  the                                                                 
     right  things are done, a delay  in the effective date  of                                                                 
     the  HSGQE is indeed  the right  thing to  do and we  urge                                                                 
     your support for such a delay.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Number 2256                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WARD  asked if  NEA-Alaska participated  in the creation  of                                                            
the current exam.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  KRONBERG   said  that  NEA-Alaska   originally  supported   the                                                            
legislation but said that  an infusion of resources would be needed.                                                            
Members  of NEA-Alaska  did participate  in the  original  standards                                                            
group  that developed  the  state  standards  in the  early  1990's.                                                            
There were  also members who participated  on the benchmark  and cut                                                            
score committees.  NEA-Alaska  has consistently argued that in order                                                            
for  students  to  pass,  additional  resources  targeted  to  those                                                            
students should be applied.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WARD asked  if there was an error in the final  math portion                                                            
of the exam.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. KRONBERG  said legitimate questions  have been raised  as to the                                                            
focus  of the test.   The  question  is, "Does  the test  accurately                                                            
measure  what  every  student  should  know  before  going on  to  a                                                            
subsistence  lifestyle, college or  trade school?"  This  is an open                                                            
question that is being looked at.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WARD  asked if NEA-Alaska  voiced this  concern at  the time                                                            
the cut scores were designated for the math portion of the exam.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. KRONBERG said  he was not sure he could find the  answer to that                                                            
question.   Some of the members  who were  on the benchmark  and cut                                                            
score committees did articulate concerns.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WARD asked how many members were in NEA-Alaska.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. KRONBERG responded 11,000.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WARD asked how many members responded online.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. KRONBERG said he did  not know how many members responded.  NEA-                                                            
Alaska has  a list of several  hundred members  and the request  was                                                            
sent to them - not all  members.  The Delegate Assembly is about 400                                                            
people and the vote to support a delay was almost unanimous.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILKEN  asked what a limited English proficient  student is.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR.  KRONBERG  said it  is  a term  used for  students  whose  first                                                            
language is not English.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WILKEN  asked  if  NEA-Alaska   could  envision  a  student                                                            
graduating without being proficient in English.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. KRONBERG replied no.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SIDE B                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. KRONBERG  said that when  a student comes  to this country  when                                                            
they are in eighth or ninth  grade, different methods of instruction                                                            
and assessment would be  needed to determine whether or not they are                                                            
proficient in English.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GREEN commented  that from now on the focus  should be on what                                                            
items should be put into statute.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Number 2317                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SUSAN  STITHAM,  Chair,  State Board  of  Education  and  Early                                                            
Development,  said  the board  appreciated  the senate's  effort  in                                                            
gathering  information   on  this  issue.    She  said  the  board's                                                            
resolution is the result  of hours of public meetings on all aspects                                                            
of the  HSGQE.   The resolution  expresses  the  concern that  basic                                                            
fairness requires a delay  in the implementation date.  The board is                                                            
unanimous  in wanting  to go forward  with accountability  and  high                                                            
standards.   The 2002  implementation  date would  be unfair  to the                                                            
students of the class of 2002.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS. STITHAM said  the resolution does deal with children  of special                                                            
needs,   limited  English   proficiency,   military  students,   the                                                            
alignment  of curriculum, and  the test itself.   She said  the exam                                                            
could not be blamed  for the results - the test is  90 percent right                                                            
but there are things that need to be changed.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. STITHAM  said there  is more than  one way  to measure what  the                                                            
community  and society  value.   The  paper  test does  not  measure                                                            
anything  other  than literacy;  therefore,   the board  would  like                                                            
direction  from the legislature  on how to  find additional  ways to                                                            
measure  what a student  knows in  terms of standards  such  as work                                                            
ethic.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS. STITHAM noted that  teachers have never before had the data that                                                            
is now available  from the benchmark test.  Standardized  tests have                                                            
never given  the teacher the type  of information that shows  how to                                                            
help  a particular  student.   But because  the  HSGQE is  standards                                                            
based, teachers will now  be able to focus instruction and align the                                                            
curriculum.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. STITHAM  said  she served  on Governor  Hickel's  task force  in                                                            
1990, which  came up  with the idea  for the  Alaska 2000  meetings.                                                            
She also co-chaired  the Language  Arts Standards Committee,  served                                                            
on the state  board and co-chaired  the Content Review Committee  on                                                            
Reading.   Standards  in the early  1990's were  voluntary and  they                                                            
were good, but  now that there is a mandatory exam  with high stakes                                                            
there is a different focus.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. STITHAM said the important  things for the legislature to do are                                                            
to give  guidelines and also  to give the  State Board of  Education                                                            
and Early Development  the authority to deal with  specific details,                                                            
such as  coming up  with a way  to fairly assess  the special  needs                                                            
students.   These  details should  come  from the  board instead  of                                                            
through compromise with the legislature.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. STITHAM  said  with regards  to Senator  Leman's question  about                                                            
what has changed  since 1968 - the  culture and values have  changed                                                            
enormously  and there are more students  staying in high  school and                                                            
studying  for a diploma.   College  prep students  are not having  a                                                            
problem with the  exam but there are a large variety  of students in                                                            
Alaska  with lots  of goals  and they all  deserve  a diploma  as an                                                            
indication  of their basic  skills.  It is  important that  the exam                                                            
tests essential  skills and  that the questions  are being  asked in                                                            
ways that are fair.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Number 1857                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILKEN  asked how students from military families  should be                                                            
handled with regards to a competency exam.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. STITHAM  replied that military  students do present the  problem                                                            
of fairness.   Reciprocity  needs to  be considered  - if a  student                                                            
passes an exam  in another state, maybe they would  not have to pass                                                            
the Alaska  exam.  Another  alternative is  that the military  might                                                            
develop some type of American school assessment.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WARD  asked if Ms. Stitham  had seen a copy of the  test the                                                            
military gives to students overseas for the American Diploma.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. STITHAM commented that she had never seen the test.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Number 1718                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GREEN said  the legislature would continue to  work on certain                                                            
items  but it  would probably  pass  some on  to the  board for  its                                                            
continued work.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. CARL  ROSE, Executive  Director,  Association  of Alaska  School                                                            
Boards  (AASB),  said AASB  supports  an  extension  to 2004.    The                                                            
standards based  effort is one of quality and quality  should not be                                                            
compromised  for the sake  of urgency.  The  exam is not just  about                                                            
standards but  also about students having the opportunity  to learn.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. ROSE said  the real issue is teaching,  if students receive  the                                                            
education  they need  they will  learn.   What needs  to be done  to                                                            
ensure that  quality teachers are  in the classroom?  Many  teachers                                                            
are teaching  in areas  they are  not qualified  in.  Generally  the                                                            
students that need the  most help are saddled with teachers that are                                                            
the least qualified,  through no fault  of the teacher -  the system                                                            
is  flawed.    In  rural  areas  teachers   are  given  very  little                                                            
supervision   and  developmental   assistance,  little  support   or                                                            
evaluation,  and  they are  in settings  that  are not  optimum  for                                                            
education.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. ROSE  noted that standards  define what  students need  to know.                                                            
Alaska  has the components  of a  world-class system  but it  is not                                                            
aligned yet,  that will take  time.  Efforts  need to be focused  on                                                            
teachers by  using in-service professional  development and  also by                                                            
letting them know what the standards are.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. ROSE said  he was on the adequacy  study, he was at the  summit,                                                            
and he served on the funding  task force.  AASB organized around the                                                            
statewide  strategies  identified   at the  summit.    He  said  the                                                            
Foundation  Formula  gives  districts  the  flexibility  to  address                                                            
district needs.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Number 1300                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  GREEN  asked  if AASB  could  move  its  members  toward  the                                                            
screening and training of teachers in rural Alaska.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. ROSE  said three  years ago  board standards  were adopted  that                                                            
would  allow  the  board  to  focus  on  accountability,   advocacy,                                                            
conduct, and  ethics.  The vision  is to provide students  with real                                                            
choice when  they leave  school.   The board is  looking at  how the                                                            
system is structured, but now instruction is being piecemealed.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GREEN asked for an example of what is being piecemealed.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. ROSE said,  for example, a school may need specific  instruction                                                            
but the only  teachers available do  not have a major in  that area.                                                            
If the  structure does not  allow the vision  to be reached,  either                                                            
the vision has to change or the structure has to change.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ROSE said  because  of the  national pool  of  teachers, it  is                                                            
becoming  difficult to attract  and retain  teachers.  The  teaching                                                            
profession  has been devalued, the  message to young people  who are                                                            
potential  teachers is  not to  go into education  because  teaching                                                            
does not pay and teachers  are not valued.  Standards are a road map                                                            
out because communities  recognize them and they also  focus on what                                                            
is important.   Mr. Rose noted that submitting to  urgency would put                                                            
all of this at risk with court challenges.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
There being no further  business to come before the committee, CHAIR                                                            
GREEN adjourned the meeting at 2:57 p.m.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                

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